I need legal advice asap

[Adamblitzer]

It is 1210. i need legal advice asap. if i can call you please PM me your phone number.

Has to do with criminal charges..

[WhiteXFire]

Don't know if I can help but feel free to IM me.

[den9]

if u dont mind me askin, what happened

[Adamblitzer]

i would prefer not to say at this time. i will post a full story soon though.

[07BlackSS]

Damn bro I hope everything is ok....

[Snowboy459]

Damn dude, hope this crap works out for you quick.

[S4toSTI]

Well atleast we know he wasn't in jail seeing they don't have tst in jail.

[SilverTurboRidin]

Depends on the charges....pm me with details

[Adamblitzer]

hello. No jail time or anything of the sort... here is a quicky version.

i am 17 at first and then turn 18 in the middle at the time.. buyer is 15 or 16. boy contacts me asking for nitrous chargers.. i go to a local kitchen store buy them for around 60 dollars for 60 cartridges.. i also sell him some glass bowls and bubblers. he pays me 1300 via paypal.

this happened in december. tonight his parents call me demanding i pay 1300 by saturday or they will call the FBI and paypal for fraud. what am i to do?!

[SilverTurboRidin]

Tell them you no nothing of it. And tell them to call the FBI so they can be laughed at. Thats what i would do. And just say the bubblers were for tobacco use only not intended for anything else

[On Sale]

yea for real dude, dont be worried. you sold LEGAL products, and he told you he was not a minor. and he was. he lied. its the internet, u cant tell how old someone is. NOW unless he has IM's saved with you explaining use of the bubblers and bowls, and nitrous, then thats a whole different story. Think back, if u told him what the "peices" and nitrous were for.

[SilverTurboRidin]

if he contacted you for help on obtaining those items without giving you any instruction on what his plans were you should be cool

[Adamblitzer]

that is my only issue. his dad says he Logged all conversations.. and some were less than legal. i dont believe them though.. he is a liar..

[S4toSTI]

If he has logs of u discussing illegal activities it would not be good. I am not sure about internet logs but as for phone recordings you have to get the persons permission to record them unless ur the police of coarse. So if he tires to pull that you are ok. If you think ur fine turn it back on him tell him that you feel you are being harassed and you will contact the authorities if nessecary.

[SilverTurboRidin]

Tell him sure he does and the easter bunny lives in the closet. Tell him you wont be taking any more of his harrassment and if he continues to call the cops will be involved

[Black 05 WRX]

NO PROBLEM someone stole ur AIM name. I just checked my AIM acct and it doest keep your IP address. that would be the OLNY way to prove its you. I would deny till you die. Im not sure that would hold up in the courts anyways. The only way to prove it was you is if he had raw tcp/ip logs that had ur AIM acct with IP address which i doubt he has those. Any other network guys agree with me on this one?
Oh one more thing tell this idiot to keep his paypal acct info away from his kid.. thats what this sounds like. Plus where is a 15 year old coming up with that much doe?

[SilverTurboRidin]

For the record. With enough given time any aim logs can be created.

[StealthTC]

internet logs dont hold up in court....period, i know from someone elses experience due to the fact the truth can be altered with a push of a few keys.

[SilverTurboRidin]

yup uyp...So tell them you bought a nice pound of weed with the 1300$ your son gave you hahah just kidding

[2point4DSM]

Ultimately, this is the problem with dealing in this kind of stuff and doing business with these kind of people.

Give him the money and hopefully this goes away. Otherwise, you will be out a lot more than that after it is all said and done.

It's definiltely not worth having this on your record. This sort of stuff will haunt you for the rest of your life.

[S4toSTI]

Guys its the main line 1300 is whatever lol

[SilverTurboRidin]

yeah ask them waht proof they have.

[Raven18940]

Tell them you'll return their money after they return what was purchased from you.

[Adamblitzer]

they said i will recieve nothing at all from them. His account vs my account means nothing right? for all i know when we go to court he could say this kid sold me 100 pounds of coke... if there is no backup nothing stands correcT?

[awdlaserbeam]

AIM conversations can be logged and saved to a computer, but just as easy you can sit down and create a conversation between two people. In a criminal case they have to prove that it was you and no possiblity that it was anyone else.
Although everything that you sold him were things you go to a store and purchase, nothing that you need a liscence or anything else special for. Did he specifically say he wanted the nitrous to get high, that would make you a supplier and responsible for his death if it happened.

His parents obviously just found everything, or opened the package that was sent to him and are not happy so they are getting back at you because "their kid wouldnt do that".

Like Wil said, it would be easiest to give them the money back and call it even, although i dont know if i would give up $1300 that easily. If you do go that route, tell them you want somethign in writing when you return the money.

[Adamblitzer]

what would i ask for in writing? the reason they are calling is they found the 1300 dollar charge on the parents credit card!!!! I dont eblieve he mentioned anything about getting high... good to know online conversations do not hold up in law.. as you said they are easily modified.

[StealthTC]

Close your paypal account asap. You will regret it if you dont because if you read there policy if you have a major cc or account with funds they will dip into it.

[Adamblitzer]

ah very interesting... thank you. so close the account asap? or what ? it would be theft if they just dipped in without proof though. i use my paypal for ebay and selling to friendly car guys like yourself.... wouldn't paypal have to be 100% correct in order to do that?

[dolphinS4]

You are putting your ass on the line here. I'm sure everyone here has great intentions, but it would be best to actually contact a lawyer and get advice from them.

In the meantime, I wouldn't have any contact with this dude's parent until you talk to a lawyer. Things you say and do can make this situation worse.
Good luck!
Seriously, talk to a lawyer! Real soon.

[Adamblitzer]

i have one calling me back.. just wanted to see what you guys would think, do, etc.

[dolphinS4]

i have one calling me back.. just wanted to see what you guys would think, do, etc.
Great.
I would do nothing until then. Sounds like you running into 2 pissed-off parents to me, and they are trying to take it out on you. I personally would make my kid pay me back every dime with interest, intstead of going after the seller.
Again, good luck.

[Adamblitzer]

i personally would yell at my kid and make him pay back the money... especially cause this kid has been caught with drugs in the past, kicked out of two schools etc etc..

is taking your parents credit card and spending money fraud for him?

[2point4DSM]

Yes it is but his parents aren't going to benefit taking it out on him. Instead they will get the credit card company to get that money back from you. Even if you close your account now you might end up getting a letter directly from them instead. If you have any hope of trying to keep that money you might as well get over it.

[Raven18940]

I hope you learned a valuable lesson about ecommerce. Don't say or do anything you don't want people to know about cause their are records of everything. I'm in the information science field, trust me. Oh and whatever you do, don't admit anything in an email! There are at least 6 copies of every email you've ever sent on various computers. The first thing they'd do in a case like this is supeona (sp?, the word for legally request) your email, and that is admissable in court. I second the lawyer.

[covert]

technically it would be paypals responsibility to verify the correct user of the cc... all you did was sell legal merchandise... the fraud is comletely on the shoulders of their kid... you should contact a lawyer and NEVER allude to illegal activities... in fact all posts in this thread that even point in that direction should be removed since they have nothing to do with this

it's a simple fraudulent cc transaction...

[thewake]

1. No one here is a lawyer
2. Even if they were they are not giving you legal advice
3. No one here is a lawyer, ask one.

Good luck. Be 100% honest with your lawyer.

[Adamblitzer]

thanks wake. i know 1,2 and 3. i simply wanted opinions and support from members. i have been in contact with several lawyers. Just wanted to see what non lawyers thought about the issue.

[den9]

off topic question but how many bowls did you sell this kid?

[NOshowALLgo]

as long as you held up on your end of the deal and sent the product then you did nothing wrong. You sold tobacco pipes and nitrous products to someone who gave verbel conformation that they were of legal age. call his dad and tell him if he ever calls again that you will pee on his wife. or better yet send me half the money and I'll pee on her for ya